--------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: -23206238 Channel Name: Arek'jaalan Listener: Hilen Tukoss Session started: 2011.10.07 17:58:29 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2011.10.07 17:58:29 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Hosted by: Eifyr & Co. NetworksNeurovisual Access: OnlineVR Access: OnlineModerators: Hilen Tukoss, Myxx, Ollie Rundle, Vanneth.Provisional Channel Guidelines: LinkThis channel is hosted for the purposes of fostering discussion between capsuleers with an interest in researching Sleeper technology and history, Talocan technology and history, Wormhole Space exploration and archiving, and related matters. Open discussion is encouraged.Extended theories should be outlined in mail or on the appropriate Divisional PortalExcessive disruption of the channel will not be tolerated. Pilots of all allegiances are welcome to participate in this project. Arek'Jaalan is an apolitical collective founded on scientific ideals alone. Mailing List Archive: LinkData Library: Link Primer for those just joining located hereRegarding the Nation's Threats of Hostility, and Drake Arson's Actions HereTech4 News is looking for participants to interview. For information, contact Mielikki Valpuri(( OOC Channel for OOC chat regarding Arek'Jaalan is AJ: OOC. Thanks. )) Use of the channel for military operations unrelated to Arek'jaalan is not wanted and such discussions are to be taken elsewhere. Thank you. [ 2011.10.07 17:58:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > Greetings, everyone. [ 2011.10.07 17:58:52 ] Valerie Valate > Howdy [ 2011.10.07 17:58:53 ] darmwand > o/ [ 2011.10.07 17:59:02 ] Literia > Hello Doctor [ 2011.10.07 17:59:07 ] Chevalleis > Merely some passive data on how they behave on their daily routines. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:08 ] Leopold Caine > "Evening, dr. Tukoss." [ 2011.10.07 17:59:12 ] General Stargazer > Greetings. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:13 ] Chevalleis > Hello mr. Tukoss. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:21 ] Akrasjel Lanate > Hello Doctor [ 2011.10.07 17:59:25 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Greetings Mr. Tukoss. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:33 ] Morwen Lagann > Just in time, heh. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:33 ] Chainer Cygnus > Salutations Doctor Tukoss. [ 2011.10.07 17:59:44 ] Hilen Tukoss > So, we'll kick this meeting off in just a moment. I just wanted shoot off one mail first... [ 2011.10.07 17:59:54 ] Leopold Caine > /emote sips on his drink. "A bit early even." [ 2011.10.07 17:59:55 ] Jacques DuVey > Good evening Dr. Turkoss [ 2011.10.07 17:59:58 ] Esna Pitoojee > 'lo. [ 2011.10.07 18:00:12 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Hello [ 2011.10.07 18:00:13 ] Chevalleis > We should really hire someone to greet him on the behalf of all of us... [ 2011.10.07 18:00:20 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Evening Dr. Tukoss [ 2011.10.07 18:00:33 ] General Stargazer > Nominated Greeter [ 2011.10.07 18:00:33 ] Uriah Tedanih > /emote fumbles his microphone. [ 2011.10.07 18:00:34 ] Leopold Caine > "Hm, Arek'Jalaan, concierge division?" [ 2011.10.07 18:00:35 ] General Stargazer > Like it. [ 2011.10.07 18:01:34 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Eh, prehaps he prefers to see who hes talking to? [ 2011.10.07 18:02:34 ] Literia > To see who is actually paying attention. [ 2011.10.07 18:02:40 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 18:03:09 ] Chevalleis > Maybe so. [ 2011.10.07 18:03:21 ] Norman Vales > I'm sure most of us are paying attention. [ 2011.10.07 18:03:51 ] Hilen Tukoss > Alright, sorted. [ 2011.10.07 18:03:54 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "You'd be suprised, mr. Vales." [ 2011.10.07 18:03:55 ] Hilen Tukoss > Let's gets started. [ 2011.10.07 18:04:08 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > I for one know I'm not paying attention at all. [ 2011.10.07 18:04:20 ] Literia > Same Uraniae [ 2011.10.07 18:05:28 ] Hilen Tukoss > The first thing I wanted to mention, just briefly, is that we have a Mission Statement now. I realize it's a little, uh, late. However, the work we've done so far, and the many trials we've been through ... [ 2011.10.07 18:05:34 ] Hilen Tukoss > ... they've all helped in its formation. [ 2011.10.07 18:06:02 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Good! Makes introducing Arek'Jaalan alot easier. [ 2011.10.07 18:06:02 ] Hilen Tukoss > It can be found here for those whov'e not had a chance yet to look it over. Short and sweet. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan:_Mission_Statement [ 2011.10.07 18:07:05 ] Hilen Tukoss > Most notably, we have formalized a stance on the development of new technologies. Which is to say, we're not in the business of creating them at any point in the foreseeable future. [ 2011.10.07 18:07:52 ] Hilen Tukoss > It's worth highlighting because many assumptions are made about our work, a great deal of which are predicated on the false idea that we are working to create the next great Sleeper-based weapon, or something similarly wasteful. [ 2011.10.07 18:08:11 ] Hilen Tukoss > Any questions? [ 2011.10.07 18:08:16 ] Valerie Valate > the alarmist press loves those assumptions. [ 2011.10.07 18:08:32 ] DJ Markus Ditori > But, is there anything against a corp creating a defense against sleeper weapons? [ 2011.10.07 18:08:36 ] General Stargazer > Sounds good to me so far. [ 2011.10.07 18:09:19 ] Morwen Lagann > So, we're in the business of doing the research that might be used by others for various purposes that may include military development, basically? [ 2011.10.07 18:09:20 ] Myrhial Arkenath > The alarmist press would likely assume it even when outright stated it is not, but it is nice to have something to point at which states it isn't so. [ 2011.10.07 18:09:49 ] Hilen Tukoss > The work any corporation does with Arek'Jaalan will be aimed towards research, documentation - and further down the line - education. If that same corporation wants to develop new technologies in their own time, A'J will not interfere. [ 2011.10.07 18:09:49 ] Drezdyn > how will AJ go about preventing member organizations from leveraging the knowledge obtained through its research to 'weaponize' any discovered technologies discovered? [ 2011.10.07 18:10:25 ] Akrasjel Lanate > I knew you say that. [ 2011.10.07 18:10:26 ] Hilen Tukoss > To address Morwen and Drezdyn: As the statement points out, much of our work is simply documented scattered, yet publicly available, information. Beyond that, we have a greal deal of theorizing going on. [ 2011.10.07 18:10:38 ] The Antiquarian > One of the projects carried by the Rogue Drone Division attempts to create "capsuleer developed" technologies that allow us to communicate with Rogue Drones. I suppose that also falls under the revised "stance on the development of new technologies?" [ 2011.10.07 18:10:49 ] The Antiquarian > As in, such project is on hold? [ 2011.10.07 18:10:49 ] Drezdyn > Understood. Thank you Doctor. [ 2011.10.07 18:10:50 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "If someone wants to make a weapon, he would be able to utilize cutlery to do so. That's an omnipresent threat." [ 2011.10.07 18:11:23 ] Chevalleis > Do you mean Project Theta, Antiquarian? [ 2011.10.07 18:11:28 ] The Antiquarian > I believe so. [ 2011.10.07 18:11:50 ] Hilen Tukoss > There are, of course, some exceptions and exclusions to be made, Antiquarian. If the development of new technologies is itself for the purpose of research, then...yes, I can see us being flexible. [ 2011.10.07 18:12:02 ] The Antiquarian > I see. Thank you very much. [ 2011.10.07 18:12:24 ] Chevalleis > I believe mr. Vales has been planning some sort of communications device? [ 2011.10.07 18:13:03 ] Hilen Tukoss > To the earlier points, however, regarding people taking what we create and using it for their own ends. The point I'm trying to make is that the amount of actionable information we're producing doesn't really seem conducive to such things. [ 2011.10.07 18:13:08 ] Norman Vales > I am, and I doubt the equipment will go beyond the laboratory. [ 2011.10.07 18:13:37 ] Hilen Tukoss > Of course, that is just an assumption, but I'm hard pressed to imagine how someone would weaponize Ms. Valate's report on a well-known but poorly documented archaeological site, for example. [ 2011.10.07 18:13:48 ] Leopold Caine > /emote perks an eyebrow. "Hm... are you saying we might eventually come to a stalemate and stop our work for the sake of... security?" [ 2011.10.07 18:14:02 ] Morwen Lagann > People will find a way if they want, I'm sure, Hilen. [ 2011.10.07 18:14:14 ] Literia > /emote simply raises two fingers to ask a question [ 2011.10.07 18:14:15 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > A heavy, leatherbound hard copy of the report might work. [ 2011.10.07 18:14:22 ] Valerie Valate > Oh, by attaching Takmahl Quantum Spheres to everything, possibly. [ 2011.10.07 18:14:33 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote chuckles. "True, Ms Fehrnah." [ 2011.10.07 18:14:39 ] DJ Markus Ditori > norman vales: So translation of comms will be a offline, non-realtime thing? not a in-system realtime translator? [ 2011.10.07 18:14:48 ] Hilen Tukoss > In any case, I hope the point is fairly clear here? Such concerns are better directed elsewhere. [ 2011.10.07 18:15:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > ....to parties that are clearly and incontrovertibly weaponizing ancient technologies. [ 2011.10.07 18:15:57 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote clears his throat. "Any other questions?" [ 2011.10.07 18:16:15 ] Literia > /emote pulls her hand back down and shakes her head [ 2011.10.07 18:16:21 ] Leopold Caine > /emote clears his throat. "I'd like my previous question adressed, if you don't mind. To rephrase, what are the limits this paranoia might impose on us?" [ 2011.10.07 18:17:22 ] Hilen Tukoss > Hard to say, Mr. Caine. There are no limitations imposed so far, and I'd just be attempting to predict the future by listing possibilities. [ 2011.10.07 18:17:57 ] Leopold Caine > /emote nods, sipping on his drink. "Thank you. I am aware it's a somewhat of a long term hypothesis." [ 2011.10.07 18:18:34 ] Hilen Tukoss > Anything else before we move on? [ 2011.10.07 18:19:32 ] Hilen Tukoss > Very well. People are of course welcome to raise questions and concerns outside of this meeting too. [ 2011.10.07 18:19:49 ] DJ Markus Ditori > if a corp goes on to weaponize research, does this prohibit them from interacting with Arek'Jaalan? [ 2011.10.07 18:20:06 ] Hilen Tukoss > Let's burn that bridge when we get to it. [ 2011.10.07 18:20:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > I mean, cross. [ 2011.10.07 18:20:16 ] General Stargazer > /emote chuckles.. [ 2011.10.07 18:20:19 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote snickers > My words exactly. [ 2011.10.07 18:21:01 ] Literia > /emote chuckles [ 2011.10.07 18:21:11 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Brilliant! Anyway, continue. [ 2011.10.07 18:21:22 ] Hilen Tukoss > Next up is project status. I'd like to create a regularly-updated report that tracks the various stages of research and the status of research paper reviews. This will help organize everything, and make sure that things aren't being forgotten. [ 2011.10.07 18:22:14 ] Hilen Tukoss > This is the current page, although we've of course not finished updating it with every project and its status. It should illustrate the point, however. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan_Project_Status_Report [ 2011.10.07 18:23:15 ] Hilen Tukoss > The aim is to make sure everyone knows roughly where their work sits in the queue, so to speak. I know many of you are seeking help and resources from Eifyr and others, so this should help track the progress of such things. [ 2011.10.07 18:23:44 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Oh, very useful, that. [ 2011.10.07 18:23:51 ] The Antiquarian > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 18:24:07 ] Literia > Very well done. [ 2011.10.07 18:24:14 ] Hilen Tukoss > If anyone has suggestions for how to organize this information, or if after a few days of updates it's clear that a project or another has been forgotten, please do let me know. [ 2011.10.07 18:24:19 ] Chevalleis > Aye. [ 2011.10.07 18:24:31 ] Morwen Lagann > Sounds like another page I'll have to keep an eye on. [ 2011.10.07 18:24:37 ] Morwen Lagann > Or throw a clone at, eh? [ 2011.10.07 18:24:49 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Will be, once more projects are added to it? or is there only two currently? [ 2011.10.07 18:25:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods to Morwen. "Yes, although my hope is that we can bear the brunt of updating that one in particular." [ 2011.10.07 18:25:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > There are quite a deal more than two, yes. [ 2011.10.07 18:25:25 ] Chevalleis > I believe the actual number to be around 10-15. [ 2011.10.07 18:25:33 ] Chevalleis > If I'm not completely mistaken. [ 2011.10.07 18:25:34 ] Leopold Caine > "I'd suggest adding a link to the previous... Mission Statement, was it? ...to the project navigation bar." [ 2011.10.07 18:25:44 ] Hilen Tukoss > Noted, Mr. Caine. [ 2011.10.07 18:26:11 ] General Stargazer > The only suggestion i'd have would be a rough percentage marker for completion rather than guessing with different phrases. [ 2011.10.07 18:26:24 ] Morwen Lagann > Percentages are difficult to work with. [ 2011.10.07 18:26:45 ] General Stargazer > But equally a guessing phrase can be as well. [ 2011.10.07 18:26:48 ] Hilen Tukoss > Perhaps we can lay out various stages of completion, and define them at the beginning. Removes most of the guesswork, no? [ 2011.10.07 18:26:53 ] Leopold Caine > "Not to mention one can never safely predict at what value does one reach 100% in an explorational task like this." [ 2011.10.07 18:26:54 ] General Stargazer > Nearing completion leaves alot of interpretation [ 2011.10.07 18:26:56 ] Gaia Ma'chello > When we update it, should we keep a running record of progress, reports, or just put the latest up, and remove the rest to a site devoted to our project? [ 2011.10.07 18:27:01 ] Morwen Lagann > A given percent might involve more work than another. Easier just to link to the project in question with a status of the current stage of said project, no? [ 2011.10.07 18:27:06 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss do you think it prudent for the Divisons to mission statement on their page or in their channels? [ 2011.10.07 18:27:33 ] General Stargazer > More defined stages would probabbly work equally as well. [ 2011.10.07 18:27:43 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. "Let's try that solution, then." [ 2011.10.07 18:28:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > I've no real concern one way or the other, Literia. Either is fine. [ 2011.10.07 18:28:20 ] Literia > /emote nods "Alright thank you." [ 2011.10.07 18:28:28 ] Leopold Caine > "A percentage implies a level of certainty. I don't think one can say we are at 56.74% from developing something, as god knows what other questions might pop up along the way." [ 2011.10.07 18:29:04 ] Valerie Valate > break things down into stages. [ 2011.10.07 18:29:08 ] Drezdyn > Structured status labels will convey information simply and efficiently without implying a ratio to 'complete' (whatever that means in a research project) [ 2011.10.07 18:29:17 ] General Stargazer > As we said, defined stages will work fine. [ 2011.10.07 18:29:44 ] Valerie Valate > e.g. with Theseus, there were several goals, the nature of which were not apparent at the outset. I did not foresee how difficult it would be to create a 3-dimensional visualisation for example. [ 2011.10.07 18:29:50 ] Leopold Caine > /emote nods. "That is a completely different matter, yes. And a useful one as well." [ 2011.10.07 18:30:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > We'll see how that works, and we can adapt further if need be. [ 2011.10.07 18:31:12 ] Hilen Tukoss > If there was nothing else on those matters, the next topic is funding for archivists. [ 2011.10.07 18:32:30 ] Hilen Tukoss > The documentation of research is absolutely critical to our overarching goal of educating the wider public. Given that capsuleers are the experts themselves in these matters, this work isn't easy to farm out to baseliners. [ 2011.10.07 18:32:55 ] Hilen Tukoss > Therefore we are in a situation where capsuleers must be paid for their time, at rates competetive to comparably time-consuming activities. [ 2011.10.07 18:33:06 ] DJ Markus Ditori > define 'baselines'? [ 2011.10.07 18:33:17 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Non-pod pilots [ 2011.10.07 18:33:17 ] Morwen Lagann > Non-capsuleers, Markus. [ 2011.10.07 18:33:22 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Ahh. [ 2011.10.07 18:33:27 ] Hilen Tukoss > My apologies for the slang. [ 2011.10.07 18:33:30 ] Hilen Tukoss > The long and short of it is that we're going to need more funding. [ 2011.10.07 18:33:57 ] Leopold Caine > "And Eifyr can't reach for their Republic funds?" [ 2011.10.07 18:34:22 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'm still in discussions with the Republic and representatives from the tribes. We may be able to supplement funding from them, but they are doing us favors elsewhere, so we'd be stretching our favors thin. [ 2011.10.07 18:34:32 ] Hilen Tukoss > We'll get to those other favors in a little bit. [ 2011.10.07 18:34:34 ] Morwen Lagann > I think we'll get more success if we find ways to ask for donations, or can find some way for the project to make money on its own. [ 2011.10.07 18:35:04 ] DJ Markus Ditori > eep. [ 2011.10.07 18:35:15 ] Gaia Ma'chello > we could just go sleeper slaying and donate some of the profit [ 2011.10.07 18:35:16 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Im not sure selling research is a good idea. [ 2011.10.07 18:35:22 ] The Antiquarian > I've been thinking about the funding issue as well. AQ Division has been putting much reliance on charitable donation from others for ites acquisition. [ 2011.10.07 18:36:11 ] Leopold Caine > "Donations imply favours... That's one of the benefits of asking the Republic instead of outsourcing donations." [ 2011.10.07 18:36:18 ] Literia > Are they still threatening you Dr. Tukoss? [ 2011.10.07 18:36:29 ] Morwen Lagann > Not really, it means we're owing the Republic instead, Leo. [ 2011.10.07 18:36:52 ] The Antiquarian > There is a developed market when it comes to managing portfolio in MD. Perhaps we can set up a fund and use fixed income/interest to pay the archivist/other acquistiion related needs? [ 2011.10.07 18:36:59 ] Hilen Tukoss > Yes, I'm afraid there are strings attached wherever the ISK comes from, although I have to say that so far we've been funded by capsuleers who've made no demands. [ 2011.10.07 18:37:16 ] The Antiquarian > of course, we need seed money. I am willing to contribute at least 2M [ 2011.10.07 18:37:23 ] The Antiquarian > 2B* [ 2011.10.07 18:37:41 ] Morwen Lagann > That might work. [ 2011.10.07 18:37:43 ] DJ Markus Ditori > items acquision can be done, by a well-organized force, hmm.... wonder if a acquisiion event would be popular, speaking as a DJ. [ 2011.10.07 18:37:45 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "I'm sure that Charon is worth something to them." [ 2011.10.07 18:38:04 ] Chevalleis > And MD means... Market Discussions? [ 2011.10.07 18:38:17 ] The Antiquarian > yes Mr. Chevalleis. Of course there is a risk involved [ 2011.10.07 18:38:32 ] The Antiquarian > but we can't be asking for donations everytime and have monetary constraints limit us [ 2011.10.07 18:38:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'd rather we first seek funding from those who would like to get involved in Arek'Jaalan, but can't for whatever reason. Perhaps there are some rich, well-meaning capsuleers out there who can help us. [ 2011.10.07 18:39:04 ] Hilen Tukoss > I am, to be honest, leery of shifting our focus from research, even it is towards funding that ultimately helps the research. [ 2011.10.07 18:39:08 ] Gaia Ma'chello > How much are we looking for? [ 2011.10.07 18:39:08 ] General Stargazer > I imagine there are those as welll as ones wishing to remaining anon. [ 2011.10.07 18:39:12 ] Leopold Caine > /emote nods. "But yes... I suppose we should focus on those in the first stage." [ 2011.10.07 18:39:31 ] General Stargazer > Indeed, did you have any targets in mind? [ 2011.10.07 18:39:46 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Prehaps a funding division is a possibility? [ 2011.10.07 18:39:48 ] Hilen Tukoss > Well, Ms. Ma'chello, it's approximately one billion ISK a month, at current work levels. [ 2011.10.07 18:40:07 ] The Antiquarian > It is my understanding that lack of funding also puts a significant strain on ongoing researches. For example. Project Rho was initiated 2 months ago. They are still needing research materials. [ 2011.10.07 18:40:17 ] Chevalleis > I would think that that would ultimately fall under Acquistions field. [ 2011.10.07 18:40:50 ] General Stargazer > An accounting division/nominated person probabbly wouldn't hurt to ensure the correct monies are budgeted and distributed out correctly? [ 2011.10.07 18:40:50 ] The Antiquarian > and despite pleas via intranet/mail, we haven't been receiving a positive result [ 2011.10.07 18:40:50 ] Myrhial Arkenath > A billion isn't too bad, even if that is a starting amount. [ 2011.10.07 18:41:11 ] The Antiquarian > so I assumed the best way would be to form a fund and invest in MD [ 2011.10.07 18:41:28 ] The Antiquarian > and use the monthly interest to pay for Archivists' salary & use it for other acquisition needs [ 2011.10.07 18:41:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > Anyhow, this is not something we need to decide on here and now. Rather, I wanted to raise it as an issue that needs discussion. [ 2011.10.07 18:41:49 ] Chevalleis > What about the risk of a fraud? [ 2011.10.07 18:41:56 ] The Antiquarian > of course. Thank you. [ 2011.10.07 18:42:01 ] Leopold Caine > "Definitely... I think we should start with underlining the difference between donations and investments... for the sake of strings attached part we discussed briefly. Semantics can be a bitch, if you'd pardon my language." [ 2011.10.07 18:42:10 ] The Antiquarian > that, we need to talk in more details, Chevalleis =) [ 2011.10.07 18:42:40 ] General Stargazer > Everything always carrys a risk, just some are smaller/bigger than others. [ 2011.10.07 18:42:49 ] Hilen Tukoss > How exactly we handle donations, what exactly we need to fund all of our work, these are questions we should work towards getting clearer answers on. [ 2011.10.07 18:43:15 ] General Stargazer > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 18:43:27 ] Chevalleis > Maybe we should start by putting up a list of all the things money can be used for? [ 2011.10.07 18:43:29 ] Leopold Caine > /emote leans back in his seat with a light sigh. "Spreadsheets, spreadsheets, spreadsheets..." [ 2011.10.07 18:43:35 ] Literia > Is there an operating statment? [ 2011.10.07 18:44:10 ] Literia > That will help with the basics of starting pojectiions as the Project grows to estimate what is needed. [ 2011.10.07 18:44:29 ] General Stargazer > The "in's and outs" of the system, so to speak. [ 2011.10.07 18:44:46 ] General Stargazer > As well as reserves for "unseen" events that may require additional funding. [ 2011.10.07 18:45:14 ] The Antiquarian > I believe putting too much emphasis on accounting/clerkship might, as Dr. Tukoss stated, digress our attention from the main purpose of the Project. [ 2011.10.07 18:45:42 ] The Antiquarian > composing financial statements is a noble idea, but it would entail hours of menhour that could be better used in exploration/other researching areas [ 2011.10.07 18:45:59 ] Hilen Tukoss > I believe we can stick to simple statements, like the one issued yesterday. [ 2011.10.07 18:46:07 ] Morwen Lagann > Agreed. [ 2011.10.07 18:46:12 ] Literia > Fine [ 2011.10.07 18:46:31 ] Leopold Caine > Fair enough. [ 2011.10.07 18:46:44 ] Literia > You can use that to estimate and educated guess a budget for those Divisions that need it. [ 2011.10.07 18:46:46 ] Hilen Tukoss > For those who missed it: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan_Mailing_List_W13:_Funding_and_Payments [ 2011.10.07 18:46:47 ] Chevalleis > Aye. [ 2011.10.07 18:46:49 ] General Stargazer > I think sticking to such things if you are trying to gain greater incomes may become quite overwhelming. But if you insist. [ 2011.10.07 18:47:14 ] The Antiquarian > We at the AQ will come up with some kind of preliminary "solution" in financing for the wages payable and other acquisitions need and of course, we appreeciate any inputs from all the members [ 2011.10.07 18:48:07 ] Hilen Tukoss > Seeking donations will obviously require a little marketing skill, as well, so wel'll be drawing on MRID expertise for this as well, to help get the word out. [ 2011.10.07 18:48:22 ] The Antiquarian > Absolutely. [ 2011.10.07 18:48:37 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 18:48:43 ] Literia > As for Donations, they should be marked Clearly for Aerk"Jaalan, and either given to Dr. Tukoss personally or appointed people by him, and where to deposit it. [ 2011.10.07 18:48:44 ] Chevalleis > Aye. [ 2011.10.07 18:48:48 ] Literia > *Arek [ 2011.10.07 18:48:56 ] General Stargazer > Indeed Literia. [ 2011.10.07 18:49:20 ] Hilen Tukoss > Yes, the last thing I'd say is to hold off starting any donation drives until we've established some kind of process. The last thing I want is claims of money going missing, and other fun things. [ 2011.10.07 18:49:32 ] Literia > This is where Ethics has to ensure the honestly of people accepting Donations. [ 2011.10.07 18:49:53 ] General Stargazer > Oh the joy of the money black holes.. [ 2011.10.07 18:50:24 ] Leopold Caine > "I'm pretty sure project's finances are transparent enough to notice where is the money leaking from, if it comes to that... if not, we should establish it like that." [ 2011.10.07 18:50:40 ] General Stargazer > Was just thinking the same. [ 2011.10.07 18:50:42 ] Hilen Tukoss > Agreed. [ 2011.10.07 18:51:12 ] Cicaedis > Apologies for my tardiness. [ 2011.10.07 18:51:21 ] Literia > Random Audits of people accepting donations shoud be mandetory [ 2011.10.07 18:51:36 ] Hilen Tukoss > Alright, that's a few things sorted. If you'll all excuse me a moment, I need to take a quick call for five, then we'll resume around 19:00. [ 2011.10.07 18:51:46 ] Nathan Jameson > then they wouldn't be random [ 2011.10.07 18:51:47 ] Literia > /emote nods [ 2011.10.07 18:51:56 ] Leopold Caine > /emote nods. "Later then." [ 2011.10.07 18:51:58 ] Literia > Duh [ 2011.10.07 18:52:01 ] General Stargazer > /emote nods and sits back to relax breifly. [ 2011.10.07 18:52:10 ] Literia > You dont tell them when you are doing them [ 2011.10.07 18:52:26 ] Cicaedis > Anyone mind filling me in during the recess? Broad, general talking points. No need to repeat it all. [ 2011.10.07 18:52:38 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Exactly, audits work best when one can't prepare for them [ 2011.10.07 18:53:29 ] Chevalleis > We were talking of the possibility of setting up an investing rpogram. And also about keeping the project statuses up-to-date. [ 2011.10.07 18:53:45 ] DJ Markus Ditori > so, the ones acccepting donations on behalf of AJ would be required to hand over their limited financial transaction journal access key? [ 2011.10.07 18:53:46 ] Cicaedis > Aha, thank you Chevalleis. [ 2011.10.07 18:55:18 ] The Antiquarian > I believe we only need one person to manage the "donations." Having various folks would only complicate controls and money trails. [ 2011.10.07 18:55:30 ] General Stargazer > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 18:55:38 ] Literia > I would agree with that [ 2011.10.07 18:55:42 ] Chevalleis > Aye. [ 2011.10.07 18:55:47 ] The Antiquarian > and the one who will be receiving donations and managing the "Fund" will probably need to put up a collateral of his own [ 2011.10.07 18:56:03 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "It could just be dr. Tukoss then." [ 2011.10.07 18:56:04 ] Literia > Or her own [ 2011.10.07 18:56:15 ] General Stargazer > I imagine it will be a big enough task for one person to manage. Involving more than one doubles the chances of things going wrong potentially. [ 2011.10.07 18:56:34 ] The Antiquarian > and hence, the "collateral" [ 2011.10.07 18:56:39 ] The Antiquarian > to a secure third party [ 2011.10.07 18:56:39 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > If people are overly concerned, I would suggest approaching a capsuleer that already has a reputation as a trustworthy third party. [ 2011.10.07 18:56:46 ] The Antiquarian > either to Dr. Tukoss or Chribba [ 2011.10.07 18:56:59 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > My thoughts exactly. [ 2011.10.07 18:57:00 ] DJ Markus Ditori > /emote nods. "Chribba is the logical choice." [ 2011.10.07 18:57:08 ] Leopold Caine > "Or am I missing the point of why we need all the bureaucracy if people can just wire it directly to Tukoss?" [ 2011.10.07 18:57:20 ] The Antiquarian > yes but relying on Third Party to MANAGE our fund will decrease our gains since we need to pay for the management fees [ 2011.10.07 18:57:21 ] Drezdyn > Cicaedis, here is a transcript of the meeting so far, if you are interested: http://pastie.org/2657032 [ 2011.10.07 18:57:27 ] Chevalleis > There is also Grendell, if Chribba for some reason can't. [ 2011.10.07 18:57:51 ] The Antiquarian > I thought about relying on donations, but it's been months ever since we've managed acquisition [ 2011.10.07 18:58:28 ] The Antiquarian > and lack of financing places considerable constraints as to what we can provide and the promptness of the delivery to various projects [ 2011.10.07 18:59:02 ] The Antiquarian > as such, I figured, making an "Arek'Jaalan Fund" would be most ideal. Have someone knowledgeable in finance, manage the fund using MD [ 2011.10.07 18:59:07 ] The Antiquarian > while providing collateral of his own [ 2011.10.07 18:59:26 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > Personally I don't really care how the finances get handled, as long as our MRID division doesn't try to make some sort of tacky "pin up" calandar. [ 2011.10.07 18:59:43 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote snickers. [ 2011.10.07 18:59:49 ] Valerie Valate > I nominate Morwen for Miss December [ 2011.10.07 18:59:59 ] Literia > /emote giggles [ 2011.10.07 18:59:59 ] Leopold Caine > /emote sighs. "Partybreaker." [ 2011.10.07 19:00:25 ] Literia > Valerie for Miss July [ 2011.10.07 19:00:26 ] Gaia Ma'chello > An issue with giving all donations to Dr Tukoss is his time, the time needed to distribute them [ 2011.10.07 19:00:32 ] Morwen Lagann > Val, if you were able to get away with that project idea of yours you'd put me in for every month as a joke. [ 2011.10.07 19:00:48 ] Valerie Valate > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 19:01:23 ] Literia > /emote sighs [ 2011.10.07 19:01:43 ] Chevalleis > I believe it's time we continue? [ 2011.10.07 19:02:06 ] Hilen Tukoss > Yes, the next issue is related to the previous. I'd like to discuss the last round of funding, and if we want to continue incentivizing researchers to document their own work via payments. [ 2011.10.07 19:02:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > Personally, I think the ISK is well invested, but I'd like to hear other thoughts. [ 2011.10.07 19:03:15 ] Morwen Lagann > Well, I suppose I should remind people that the CAs are here to help with documentation and such - help, not do all of the work, of course - and people shouldn't be afraid to step up and ask. [ 2011.10.07 19:03:29 ] Morwen Lagann > I think it's just me and Akasha now, though? [ 2011.10.07 19:03:31 ] Leopold Caine > "Personally, I see no need to it. I believe we are all well motivated that there is no need for payments, given the input of work and data." [ 2011.10.07 19:03:33 ] Cicaedis > I see no issue with paying researcher who do their own archvist work. Especially if paid clerical staff have proven unreliable. [ 2011.10.07 19:04:30 ] Hilen Tukoss > And Qansh, shortly, Morwen. He has also expressed an interest in helping with archiving. I wasn't acually correct in severing him from the job, as he was waiting for me to get in touch, so...we'll sort that. [ 2011.10.07 19:04:38 ] Myrhial Arkenath > I think the mail that was sent out about payments was very fine. Even thought science should be done for the sake of science, time is money, and paying according to time spent is fair. [ 2011.10.07 19:04:39 ] Morwen Lagann > Yeah, I just saw the mail. [ 2011.10.07 19:04:42 ] Drezdyn > I think it's reasonable to reimburse expenses for research projects, but getting into paying for time spent researching is a difficult thing to quantify and more difficult to ensure equitable compensation across all participants. [ 2011.10.07 19:05:00 ] Morwen Lagann > Rek actually said the same thing, though he's busy now and won't have time anyway. [ 2011.10.07 19:05:06 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 19:05:17 ] Morwen Lagann > HIccups happen. [ 2011.10.07 19:05:46 ] Literia > May I make a suggestion? [ 2011.10.07 19:05:52 ] Hilen Tukoss > Shoot. [ 2011.10.07 19:06:25 ] Literia > Keep the monetaary rewards low key, otherwise you are going to get everyone and their dogs givig you rediculous time waisting stuff. [ 2011.10.07 19:06:55 ] Chevalleis > Agreed, we need dedicated people. [ 2011.10.07 19:07:18 ] Cicaedis > Dedication to being a clerk is difficult to come by. [ 2011.10.07 19:07:29 ] Drezdyn > /emote chuckles [ 2011.10.07 19:07:32 ] Hilen Tukoss > Especially amongst capsuleers. [ 2011.10.07 19:07:40 ] Leopold Caine > "Or ban monetary rewards completely and if participation starts to drop down, reintroduce them... wasn't lack of funding a previous issue anyway?" [ 2011.10.07 19:07:42 ] Cicaedis > /emote nods firmly. [ 2011.10.07 19:07:58 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote chuckles > Yeah, and then I showed up, eh? [ 2011.10.07 19:08:15 ] Hilen Tukoss > We're not paying per word, that's the important thing. If good research is documented well, the researcher gets a little bonus to motivate further work. If people are obviously trying to "cash in" they are not. [ 2011.10.07 19:08:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'm confident we can identify and avoid abuse. [ 2011.10.07 19:08:31 ] Literia > I am not researcher, anyone who knows me can say that. But I came to this project to help and to possible make a difference. I dont want Monetary compensation. [ 2011.10.07 19:08:37 ] Cicaedis > Another alternative is that researchers who do not feel comfortable or find the work too tedious to do themselves, can pay clerks out of their own pocket. [ 2011.10.07 19:08:41 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Well, some capsuleers have fulltime work on their hands. Though, even with little time, one can get a lot done if motivated enough to do so. [ 2011.10.07 19:08:46 ] Literia > I still say keep it low key. [ 2011.10.07 19:09:34 ] Cicaedis > That way the cost isn't reliant on the project as a whole at all. [ 2011.10.07 19:10:52 ] Valerie Valate > the funding from Project Theseus pays for a replacement ship, and some miscellaneous expenses incurred in an as yet unrelated project to build examples of the Takmahl devices. [ 2011.10.07 19:10:57 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'm thinking there will be multiple solutions that can work together. Self-funded projects are one. Increasing our own funding is another. Keeping a low profile on payments, yet another. [ 2011.10.07 19:11:45 ] Literia > /emote nods [ 2011.10.07 19:11:50 ] Literia > I agree [ 2011.10.07 19:12:25 ] Morwen Lagann > Some combination of all of the above, even. [ 2011.10.07 19:12:25 ] Hilen Tukoss > The focus must remain research, I agree, and the motivation behind that research should ideally be something deeper than ISK. [ 2011.10.07 19:12:38 ] Myrhial Arkenath > True, why limit yourself to one option when there are multiple. [ 2011.10.07 19:12:45 ] General Stargazer > As with any investment. [ 2011.10.07 19:12:57 ] Cicaedis > There are far simpler pursuits for ISK thant he research we've undertaken, I'd imagine. [ 2011.10.07 19:13:03 ] Cicaedis > *than the [ 2011.10.07 19:13:15 ] Hilen Tukoss > Anyhow, it is another matter for you all to discuss during the quiet moments. I'm sure we can find workable solutions. [ 2011.10.07 19:13:18 ] Cicaedis > /emote wiggles some wires, shaking her head. [ 2011.10.07 19:13:20 ] Leopold Caine > "Indeed, I don't believe it should be a pressing issue." [ 2011.10.07 19:14:50 ] General Stargazer > So, what other issues did you have on the Adgenda? [ 2011.10.07 19:15:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > Before moving on, I wanted to clarify one thing regarding yesterday's mail. There were various CA's offered severance pay in error. As it turns out, they were waiting on confirmation from my end before beginning work. [ 2011.10.07 19:15:14 ] Hilen Tukoss > So blame the absent-minded scientist, not them. [ 2011.10.07 19:15:41 ] Morwen Lagann > Partly my fault too I suppose - when you listed a bunch of names during a meeting, I assumed you'd spoken with them and they knew. [ 2011.10.07 19:15:49 ] Leopold Caine > "Ah. Happens." [ 2011.10.07 19:16:15 ] The Antiquarian > So we will have more "clones" of Ms. Lagann I assume? [ 2011.10.07 19:16:15 ] Cicaedis > Someone get the flog. [ 2011.10.07 19:16:25 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'll be committing a fair deal of focus in this coming week to hiring more archivists. This may mean less progress on research momentarily, so do keep that in mind. [ 2011.10.07 19:16:48 ] Morwen Lagann > Let me know if you need a hand with it, Hilen. [ 2011.10.07 19:16:57 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. "Thanks." [ 2011.10.07 19:17:14 ] Chevalleis > I am have to leave now, bye. [ 2011.10.07 19:17:20 ] Literia > If anyone happens to know anyone that would be good for Ethics it would be nice [ 2011.10.07 19:17:24 ] Chevalleis > I assume there will be a copy of this meeting? [ 2011.10.07 19:17:24 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. "Thanks for joining us, Chevalleis." [ 2011.10.07 19:17:32 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'll have a log uploaded afterwards, yes. [ 2011.10.07 19:17:37 ] Literia > I am the only active one at the moment for Leads. [ 2011.10.07 19:17:39 ] Chevalleis > Righty. [ 2011.10.07 19:17:41 ] The Antiquarian > Good night Mr. Chevalleis. [ 2011.10.07 19:17:47 ] Literia > Good Night. [ 2011.10.07 19:19:10 ] Cicaedis > I'm surprised EC doesn't have more volunteers to archive. It's always the subject of the hottest debates. [ 2011.10.07 19:19:23 ] Cicaedis > It seems, of all the divisions, EC would be the most interesting to archive on behalf of. [ 2011.10.07 19:19:44 ] Morwen Lagann > It's been pretty quiet. [ 2011.10.07 19:19:54 ] Morwen Lagann > And Darv did a lot of the work when it wasn't. [ 2011.10.07 19:19:54 ] Hilen Tukoss > Thank the Maker. [ 2011.10.07 19:20:04 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Indeed. the multiple active clone issue is interesting.. has it been resolved? [ 2011.10.07 19:20:08 ] Cicaedis > Don't jinx it. [ 2011.10.07 19:20:09 ] Morwen Lagann > Yeah, no kidding. Though there's been some messes lately needing addressing. [ 2011.10.07 19:20:12 ] Literia > No unfortunately, its been quiet save one or two matters. [ 2011.10.07 19:20:29 ] Myxx > hehe, funny you mention it [ 2011.10.07 19:20:36 ] Myxx > I'm in the middle of writing something [ 2011.10.07 19:20:47 ] Myxx > Because frankly, my patience has passed quite a while ago [ 2011.10.07 19:21:14 ] Literia > Just when it gets busy I find myself overwhelmed to be honest. [ 2011.10.07 19:21:21 ] Hilen Tukoss > If there are issues for discussion, they can be raised around 20:00, once I've made it through my own pile of things. Only two matters left, so we're almost done. [ 2011.10.07 19:21:33 ] DJ Markus Ditori > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 19:21:41 ] Morwen Lagann > Alright. [ 2011.10.07 19:21:47 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Please continue. [ 2011.10.07 19:21:54 ] Hilen Tukoss > The next matter to discuss is a joint construction project in Eram, undertaken chiefly by Arek'Jaalan members, but also with assistance from the Republic and Federation. [ 2011.10.07 19:22:26 ] General Stargazer > /emote raises a brow.. [ 2011.10.07 19:22:29 ] Cicaedis > /emote perks a copper brow. [ 2011.10.07 19:22:42 ] DJ Markus Ditori > OOooo. Interesting. Constructing what? [ 2011.10.07 19:22:45 ] The Antiquarian > That is a surprise. A pleasant surprise. [ 2011.10.07 19:23:01 ] The Antiquarian > a way for us to leave a permanent landmark? [ 2011.10.07 19:23:17 ] Akrasjel Lanate > /emote raises a brow. [ 2011.10.07 19:23:31 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote keeps his brow relaxedly neutral. [ 2011.10.07 19:23:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > We are going to build a library to house research, and a museum to house archived materials and artifacts. In time, perhaps, more can be added, such as in-space analytical equipment. [ 2011.10.07 19:23:45 ] General Stargazer > /emote foresees a wave of raising eyebrows. [ 2011.10.07 19:23:48 ] Morwen Lagann > Lovely. [ 2011.10.07 19:24:03 ] General Stargazer > Mobile, or static? [ 2011.10.07 19:24:08 ] Hilen Tukoss > Static. [ 2011.10.07 19:24:16 ] General Stargazer > Most interesting. [ 2011.10.07 19:24:21 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Eram , 22 jumps away. Think ill visit sometime later today. [ 2011.10.07 19:24:33 ] Leopold Caine > /emote flickers back on. "Pardon. Fluid router issues." [ 2011.10.07 19:24:40 ] Gaia Ma'chello > A new station, or an add-on to an existing station? [ 2011.10.07 19:25:12 ] Literia > Whats the security of it? [ 2011.10.07 19:25:32 ] DJ Markus Ditori > /emote would think a converted deadspace site prehaps. [ 2011.10.07 19:25:34 ] The Antiquarian > Are we building a tangible station to archive our progress? [ 2011.10.07 19:25:46 ] Valerie Valate > Hooray [ 2011.10.07 19:25:55 ] Hilen Tukoss > Phase I is aimed at providing the baseline structures ahead of time, before we populate the area with libraries and documented research. It is still unclear if such a library will be possible, but in that event, we can use the site for other purposes. [ 2011.10.07 19:26:11 ] Hilen Tukoss > It will be a deadspace location, although the exact coordinates are still being debated. [ 2011.10.07 19:26:16 ] Leopold Caine > "Which moon is it anchored to?" [ 2011.10.07 19:26:29 ] Leopold Caine > /emote clears his throat. "Pardon." [ 2011.10.07 19:26:29 ] Akrasjel Lanate > Deadspace, you say. [ 2011.10.07 19:26:42 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Hmm, that may prove hard to visit, though I guess I can always ask someone else to be my eyes. [ 2011.10.07 19:26:44 ] Cicaedis > Hm, quite intriguing. [ 2011.10.07 19:27:05 ] Literia > Security for it? Will it be in high security? [ 2011.10.07 19:27:18 ] Nathan Jameson > is this something that would have to be regularly patrolled for, say, pirates? [ 2011.10.07 19:27:20 ] Gaia Ma'chello > If its to be in Eram, its high sec [ 2011.10.07 19:27:26 ] Hilen Tukoss > Phase I is essentially a foundation, but an important beginning. My hope is that over time we can build on the site and expand outwards to other systems, eventually. [ 2011.10.07 19:27:27 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Eram [ 2011.10.07 19:27:33 ] Gouzu Kho > Eram is a 0.8 security system [ 2011.10.07 19:27:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > It's slightly more complicated. Let me explain. [ 2011.10.07 19:27:49 ] Leopold Caine > "Pity... I'm sure a lowsec location would provide much more... flexibility to our research." [ 2011.10.07 19:27:59 ] Akrasjel Lanate > I'm listening. [ 2011.10.07 19:28:04 ] The Antiquarian > Lets learn from the mistakes of Project Crielere? [ 2011.10.07 19:28:12 ] Cicaedis > ... [ 2011.10.07 19:28:15 ] General Stargazer > As well a security issues for such a wealth of information.. [ 2011.10.07 19:28:31 ] Hilen Tukoss > Phase I plans will be drawn up in the coming days, and released sometime next week. There are requirements on our end, if we want to see it built. [ 2011.10.07 19:28:45 ] General Stargazer > Such as? [ 2011.10.07 19:28:47 ] Literia > I would like to. [ 2011.10.07 19:28:50 ] Cicaedis > We're a resourceful lot. [ 2011.10.07 19:28:54 ] Hilen Tukoss > The Republic has offered to house the site in Eram and provide security if it can be built before the next local military funding cycle. [ 2011.10.07 19:29:00 ] Morwen Lagann > I was just about to ask if there were ways we could get involved, heh. [ 2011.10.07 19:29:05 ] Hilen Tukoss > If we cannot complete material acquisition before funding is reorganized, there is a chance the Republic may not be able to make the same offer afterwards. [ 2011.10.07 19:29:06 ] General Stargazer > Which is when sir? [ 2011.10.07 19:29:24 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'm still working out a deadline with the Republic. I'll have more information very shortly. [ 2011.10.07 19:29:32 ] Literia > What kind of Materials do they need? [ 2011.10.07 19:29:41 ] Hilen Tukoss > However, the deadline for Phase I as a whole is late November, early December. [ 2011.10.07 19:29:51 ] Literia > Can you send out a message for what is required? [ 2011.10.07 19:30:03 ] Cicaedis > I imagine that'll be forth coming. [ 2011.10.07 19:30:03 ] General Stargazer > Ok. As Literia says, what will be required from us? [ 2011.10.07 19:30:17 ] The Antiquarian > We built a significant library of artifacts and materials for Arek'Jaalan. Perhaps excess materials can be used to aid in meeting the deadline for Phase I. [ 2011.10.07 19:30:20 ] Myxx > Give us a list and we'll get it to you [ 2011.10.07 19:30:28 ] Hilen Tukoss > Advanced commodities, processed materials, refined commodities, specialized commodities, Sleeper materials, salvage, construction components, station components, personnel, industrial tools, consumer goods...we're building the list. [ 2011.10.07 19:30:30 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "As ms. Lagaan already stated. we don't rely on republic solely there... timewise." [ 2011.10.07 19:30:52 ] Leopold Caine > "... but I presume the acquisition list shouldn't change." [ 2011.10.07 19:30:55 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss we need it soon, so we can get it done. [ 2011.10.07 19:31:03 ] General Stargazer > Indeed. [ 2011.10.07 19:31:07 ] General Stargazer > The sooner, the better. [ 2011.10.07 19:31:08 ] Akrasjel Lanate > True [ 2011.10.07 19:31:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > Believe me, I've been saying the same thing. [ 2011.10.07 19:31:16 ] Morwen Lagann > ... Erm... what, Leo? Please don't put words in my mouth. They taste foul when covered with your incense. [ 2011.10.07 19:31:26 ] Literia > With the quantities [ 2011.10.07 19:31:28 ] Cicaedis > Are we incorporating Sleeper Technology into the structure or is that in reference to the items we'll need for displayw ithin? [ 2011.10.07 19:31:47 ] General Stargazer > I take it the list for materials required will be sent to the Aquisitions division once finalised? [ 2011.10.07 19:31:55 ] Literia > Now Dr. Tukoss I want to over see this being built I want nothing but the best possible for this. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > The Sleeper technology is purely heuristic selfassemblers. We'll be using them to accelerate construction. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:12 ] Cicaedis > Ah. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:14 ] Leopold Caine > "I meant the part where you said asking for donations from Republic would have same amount of strings as asking it from somewhere else." [ 2011.10.07 19:32:14 ] Morwen Lagann > Huh. Interesting. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:25 ] Morwen Lagann > That was Hilen, not me. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:27 ] Cicaedis > I was thinking you aimed to perhaps design this structure to Sleeper specifications, visually anyhow. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:33 ] Literia > Hm [ 2011.10.07 19:32:43 ] DJ Markus Ditori > hmm... interesting. Nanite construction? [ 2011.10.07 19:32:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > The list will be sent to all of Arek'Jaalan as soon as it's available. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:56 ] Gaia Ma'chello > /emote wonders if, once we build this structure, if others will be able to repeat it [ 2011.10.07 19:32:58 ] Hilen Tukoss > My suggestion is that we prepare for its arrival ahead of time. [ 2011.10.07 19:32:59 ] Literia > Thank you Dr. Tukoss [ 2011.10.07 19:33:06 ] Literia > Cause this is something I can do. [ 2011.10.07 19:33:08 ] Leopold Caine > "I beg to differ. Let's focus on the matter at hand anyway, hm?" [ 2011.10.07 19:33:11 ] Akrasjel Lanate > Thats good [ 2011.10.07 19:33:17 ] Cicaedis > I concur. [ 2011.10.07 19:33:18 ] General Stargazer > Indeed, is there anything we know we are going to need alot of in advance? [ 2011.10.07 19:33:22 ] The Antiquarian > Dr. Tukoss. Is there an estimate as to how much Phase I construction entails? [ 2011.10.07 19:33:34 ] General Stargazer > Or logistics.. [ 2011.10.07 19:33:51 ] Leopold Caine > "And what is the exact deadline of Republic's station placement offer?" [ 2011.10.07 19:34:03 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'm sorry, everyone. I've been pushing just as hard for details. All I can say is that things are moving as quickly as possible. I'm confident we'll have a list of requirements from the Republic shortly. [ 2011.10.07 19:34:18 ] Hilen Tukoss > Rather than wait for full confirmation and all the details, I'm raising it now so that we're ready. [ 2011.10.07 19:34:24 ] DJ Markus Ditori > This is exciting! [ 2011.10.07 19:34:46 ] Morwen Lagann > And very good news, yes. [ 2011.10.07 19:34:52 ] General Stargazer > Ready, to start hoarding unknown quantities of unknown items. Interesting! [ 2011.10.07 19:34:55 ] General Stargazer > /emote grins [ 2011.10.07 19:34:58 ] Leopold Caine > "Hm... hard to call bureaucracy procrastination exciting... but at least we have something to focus on." [ 2011.10.07 19:35:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > I want to stress again that this is merely the foundation. Phase I won't be much more than a skeleton for us to build on. [ 2011.10.07 19:35:51 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > You mentioned long term plans to perhaps expand this sort of structure network to other systems. I'm curious if that will sort of ammount to the creation of a local "chapter" of the project across different regions of space. [ 2011.10.07 19:36:18 ] Hilen Tukoss > Exactly the sort of thing I have in mind, Ms. Fehrnah. [ 2011.10.07 19:36:31 ] Literia > Excellent [ 2011.10.07 19:36:50 ] Leopold Caine > "Hm... one for each of the Empires maybe?" [ 2011.10.07 19:37:12 ] Hilen Tukoss > Our goal is ultimately one of education, and we can't achieve that from a singular base in Republic high-sec. [ 2011.10.07 19:37:21 ] Hilen Tukoss > So, yes, we'll have to expand outwards over time, but this is where we start. [ 2011.10.07 19:37:51 ] Cicaedis > Indeed. Some parties will refuse to enter out of principle. Expansion will be a necessity. [ 2011.10.07 19:37:54 ] Gaia Ma'chello > A museum. I hope others will be able to visit and walk about looking at our displays [ 2011.10.07 19:38:02 ] General Stargazer > Did you have a particular design/configuration of a structure in mind, or something to later be looked at? [ 2011.10.07 19:38:10 ] Leopold Caine > /emote shrugs. "It's still a start." [ 2011.10.07 19:38:31 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 19:38:56 ] Hilen Tukoss > If we are unable to acquire the materials in time, we may end up dealing with other hosts, in any case. [ 2011.10.07 19:39:06 ] Hilen Tukoss > But that is another bridge we can cross if and when we come to it. [ 2011.10.07 19:39:12 ] Gentleman Viking > I highly doubt you won't get the required materials. [ 2011.10.07 19:39:13 ] Morwen Lagann > Sounds like we've got our work cut out for us, then. [ 2011.10.07 19:40:03 ] Hilen Tukoss > We do. [ 2011.10.07 19:40:16 ] The Antiquarian > Lets not be overly confident. It could require us to contribute tens & hundreds of billions in ISK. [ 2011.10.07 19:40:26 ] Meizu Kho > i think building a station super structure is quit something compared to a pos usually used by capsuleers [ 2011.10.07 19:40:27 ] Hilen Tukoss > Again, I'll be forwarding more information to the Arek'Jaalan list as its available. Keep an eye on it over the weekend, as well as during next week. [ 2011.10.07 19:40:37 ] General Stargazer > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 19:40:41 ] Morwen Lagann > Will do. [ 2011.10.07 19:41:02 ] Gaia Ma'chello > /emote remembers to finish her mission [ 2011.10.07 19:41:42 ] Gentleman Viking > If a library and museum cost hundreds of billions of isk, it should probably be constructed entirely out of platinum. And built by members of Amarr Royalty working for a fitting wage. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:02 ] Hilen Tukoss > It is a library for capsuleers. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:13 ] Hilen Tukoss > So the logistics of building it are somewhat different to your average. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:14 ] Gentleman Viking > Even so. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:32 ] Cicaedis > I think you underestimate the inflation of our currency. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:43 ] Hilen Tukoss > In any case, we are not talking hundreds of billions of ISK. It's not a fully-fledged station. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:49 ] Cicaedis > I can spent almost a billion isk on shoes. [ 2011.10.07 19:42:52 ] Cicaedis > *spend [ 2011.10.07 19:42:53 ] Morwen Lagann > I don't think he does, Cicaedis. [ 2011.10.07 19:43:19 ] Morwen Lagann > And that's just in the "Noble" Exchange. Go to a baseliner shop. They like the publicity, and the tips. [ 2011.10.07 19:43:34 ] Gentleman Viking > Considering a fully fledged, officer fit Titan costs, what? 50-60 billion? [ 2011.10.07 19:43:41 ] Gaia Ma'chello > If its like 1 to 2 billion isk of stuff, my guess is we will gather it within hours [ 2011.10.07 19:43:50 ] Valerie Valate > creodron designed modulare habitation err... modules [ 2011.10.07 19:43:51 ] Gentleman Viking > If it is anything less than that, the Capsuleer community will pony up to build it. [ 2011.10.07 19:44:05 ] Gentleman Viking > We are a bored people with too much ISK as it is. [ 2011.10.07 19:44:06 ] General Stargazer > Getting a little side tracked ladies and gents.. [ 2011.10.07 19:44:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote mutters something about not getting him started on the price of clothes. "On to the last matter." [ 2011.10.07 19:44:20 ] Cicaedis > Precisely so, Ma'Chello. If it weren't to be an expensive pursuit, we'd have it accomplished in hours. A deadline would be no obstacle whatsoever. [ 2011.10.07 19:44:24 ] Hilen Tukoss > The last thing I wanted to raise was the possibility of a periodic "Proposal Freeze" on research papers, to allow time to process the work already done and finalize it as much as possible. [ 2011.10.07 19:45:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > This is something I'd like you all to discuss and consider, as with the other ideas raised. It is not something that is happening for sure, just an idea about how to better to handle our work. [ 2011.10.07 19:45:54 ] General Stargazer > Did you have particular time frames/durations in mind? [ 2011.10.07 19:45:58 ] Cicaedis > That would certainly prevent a lot of misinformation. [ 2011.10.07 19:46:16 ] General Stargazer > Also would prevent any duplication of work as well. [ 2011.10.07 19:46:22 ] Hilen Tukoss > Rather than time-based, I imagine it would be project-based. Once a certain amount of projects were complete, room would be made for others. [ 2011.10.07 19:46:39 ] Cicaedis > This will also prevent us frmo over-extending our efforts. [ 2011.10.07 19:46:54 ] Hilen Tukoss > In this method, we would split research into "cohorts" essentially, and process them in phases. The upside is increased focus on projects, the downside is that important research could be delayed. [ 2011.10.07 19:46:55 ] General Stargazer > As well as keeping on track with projects as well. [ 2011.10.07 19:47:14 ] Gaia Ma'chello > So, we keep some number of projects active, start new ones as old ones finish [ 2011.10.07 19:47:15 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote grins > Cohorts? We borrowing terminology from the Sleepers now too, Hilen? [ 2011.10.07 19:47:33 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote smiles. "Perhaps." [ 2011.10.07 19:47:35 ] Literia > /emote chuckles [ 2011.10.07 19:47:43 ] Gentleman Viking > This could work for A'J, I suppose, due to its structure. But if the intent is to stop the influx of differing views on research... A'J isn't the only avenue for that. [ 2011.10.07 19:47:45 ] Literia > Adds a little spice. [ 2011.10.07 19:48:08 ] Cicaedis > I'd imagine if a project came to light that seemed more important int he grand scheme of things than others, there could be a meeting to rush its advancement. [ 2011.10.07 19:48:15 ] Gentleman Viking > Capsuleers will come to their own conclusions, and post their theories whether or not you tell them to stop. It just won't be 'officially A'J' [ 2011.10.07 19:48:18 ] DJ Markus Ditori > to understand others viewpoints.. prehaps you need to take some for your own? [ 2011.10.07 19:48:57 ] Hilen Tukoss > Fair point, Viking. I suppose the reality is that such projects would only be different in that we couldn't lend them financial or other support until their time came. [ 2011.10.07 19:49:28 ] Scitor Nantom > Hello there Mr. Tukoss [ 2011.10.07 19:49:36 ] Hilen Tukoss > Perhaps most importantly, the review by Eifyr & Co. staff and publication of said research would not progress until their time came. [ 2011.10.07 19:49:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods in greeting. [ 2011.10.07 19:49:43 ] Gentleman Viking > For all intents and pruposes for A'J, though, its fair enough. The question I have is, if there is a waiting list of projects whose is served first? [ 2011.10.07 19:49:57 ] Cicaedis > I believe that is a wise decision. [ 2011.10.07 19:50:11 ] Morwen Lagann > So, basically a review and processing queue. [ 2011.10.07 19:50:17 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote listens in intently. [ 2011.10.07 19:50:18 ] Morwen Lagann > Nothing wrong with that at all. [ 2011.10.07 19:50:28 ] Gaia Ma'chello > /emote fears for her project... [ 2011.10.07 19:50:44 ] Cicaedis > It will also prevent endless debates about whose science was better. If there were, at some point in sight, an official declaration thereof. [ 2011.10.07 19:50:52 ] Leopold Caine > "Guess we'll see how it works in time." [ 2011.10.07 19:50:53 ] Gentleman Viking > First come, first served; selected by scientific merit by Eifyr... how will A'J choose which to undertake? [ 2011.10.07 19:51:10 ] Hilen Tukoss > Most likely a mixture of the both, Viking. [ 2011.10.07 19:51:19 ] Hilen Tukoss > One important thing to remember with this idea is that it only staggers work, rather than indefinitely postpones it. [ 2011.10.07 19:51:30 ] Gentleman Viking > Fair enough. Makes sense to me. [ 2011.10.07 19:51:34 ] Gaia Ma'chello > This is where politics and science interact: who gets support [ 2011.10.07 19:51:42 ] Gentleman Viking > I would've suggest Aifyr just hire more interns, but that works. [ 2011.10.07 19:51:46 ] Gentleman Viking > Eifyr* [ 2011.10.07 19:52:08 ] Hilen Tukoss > Everyone does, eventually, Gaia. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:09 ] Hilen Tukoss > So, that's all I had to raise. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:15 ] Hilen Tukoss > Quite a bit to chew on, I realize. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:37 ] Cicaedis > We're capsuleers, Tukoss. We've got big mouths. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > At least, though, I can finally show the results of all these meetings we've been holding with the Republic. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:46 ] General Stargazer > Nothing like a challenge i always say. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:53 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote laughs causing static on his comms [ 2011.10.07 19:53:54 ] The Antiquarian > The construction of a physical space to archive all our effort. This would be the highlight of our moment. Thank you for giving us the opportunity, Dr. Tukoss. [ 2011.10.07 19:53:56 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > Indeed, tooth gnashing is one of the best things we do. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:07 ] Cicaedis > /emote grins. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:11 ] Morwen Lagann > It's much appreciated, and it's been well worth the weight. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:12 ] Literia > Have they made any more demands Dr. Tukoss? [ 2011.10.07 19:54:13 ] Gentleman Viking > Will a transcript of this all be posted? Or is not, can someone summarize it and post it to the mailing list? [ 2011.10.07 19:54:13 ] Morwen Lagann > ... Wait. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:34 ] Hilen Tukoss > I'll be uploading a log, as well as a summary. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:34 ] Morwen Lagann > I've been taking minutes; I'll forward them along to Hilen once we're done. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:42 ] Gentleman Viking > Gotcha. Thank you much. [ 2011.10.07 19:54:47 ] Hilen Tukoss > Or, alternatively, Morwen will do it all better than I ever could. [ 2011.10.07 19:55:11 ] General Stargazer > /emote feels the love.. [ 2011.10.07 19:55:17 ] General Stargazer > /emote grins [ 2011.10.07 19:55:18 ] Morwen Lagann > I'll just forward you what I have, in case you missed something. *She grins.* Two heads is better than one. [ 2011.10.07 19:55:42 ] Hilen Tukoss > Now, if you'll excuse me, another quick five minute break is in order, then we can wrap up by covering any lingering issues from the other end. [ 2011.10.07 19:55:54 ] Cicaedis > I think there was a cloning accident once that dispproved that concept. [ 2011.10.07 19:56:35 ] Scitor Nantom > The people of New Eden, all across the star systems are getting more and more interested it seems. [ 2011.10.07 19:56:37 ] Morwen Lagann > Heh. [ 2011.10.07 19:56:51 ] Scitor Nantom > I am not talking just capsuleers either. [ 2011.10.07 19:57:10 ] Cicaedis > For better or worse. [ 2011.10.07 19:57:40 ] Gentleman Viking > pardon me if I don't jump for joy over the common people getting interested in things they are incapable of understanding. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:20 ] Cicaedis > They're only incapable because they don't have all of the information. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:23 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Incapable? That seems a bit strong. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:30 ] Kybernetes Moros > Nothing to do with Arek'jaalan here -- mostly watching 'cause Morwen mentioned it -- but s'a bit arrogant of you. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:34 ] Literia > Remeber you were once one of them [ 2011.10.07 19:58:37 ] Cicaedis > Which is, essentially, part of our goal: to provide it to them all. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:52 ] Gentleman Viking > I was born in a pod, Literia. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:52 ] Literia > You arent any better. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:55 ] Scitor Nantom > Well, they are constantly lied to. [ 2011.10.07 19:58:58 ] Literia > I dont care [ 2011.10.07 19:59:08 ] Literia > One clone accident [ 2011.10.07 19:59:13 ] Literia > Buh bye [ 2011.10.07 19:59:23 ] Kybernetes Moros > Who isn't constantly lied to -- and born in a pod, what the shit. [ 2011.10.07 19:59:24 ] Scitor Nantom > ... by the mass media from different factions [ 2011.10.07 19:59:36 ] Literia > Here we go [ 2011.10.07 19:59:40 ] Literia > /emote rolls yer eyes [ 2011.10.07 19:59:43 ] Literia > *her [ 2011.10.07 20:00:17 ] Gentleman Viking > Sarcasm is lost on this generation. [ 2011.10.07 20:00:18 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote sighs. [ 2011.10.07 20:00:50 ] Scitor Nantom > Well that is the Communication Department is for [ 2011.10.07 20:01:11 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Sarcasm doesn't translate very well through the Neocom interface at times. [ 2011.10.07 20:01:45 ] Cicaedis > I'm not sure that qualifies as sarcasm, but I digress. [ 2011.10.07 20:02:23 ] Scitor Nantom > The comm Department for AJ would do well to find media outlets not influenced by politics. [ 2011.10.07 20:03:16 ] Literia > /emote sighs and mumbles something about people dictating [ 2011.10.07 20:03:42 ] Gentleman Viking > That'd be the non-nullsec capsuleer community, I think. [ 2011.10.07 20:03:49 ] Gentleman Viking > But then you open an entirely different can of worms. [ 2011.10.07 20:03:58 ] DJ Markus Ditori > /emote is interested in broadcasting news bulletins of Arek'Jaalan on his set show, for Eve-Radio. Not influenced by politics. [ 2011.10.07 20:04:01 ] Kybernetes Moros > Non-nullsec capsuleers are hardly apolitical beasts. [ 2011.10.07 20:04:11 ] Scitor Nantom > I say all this to bring to attention something I think it's good you good people see. [ 2011.10.07 20:04:13 ] Hilen Tukoss > Alright, sorry about that. What's next? [ 2011.10.07 20:04:21 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Nothing is ever without influence, but what channels are you thinking off that are influenced, then? [ 2011.10.07 20:04:47 ] DJ Markus Ditori > /emote comments on politics occasionally, but isn't actually influenced. [ 2011.10.07 20:04:52 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote seems hesitant to divulge some information [ 2011.10.07 20:05:13 ] Cicaedis > /emote is apparently taking notes on something completely unrelated. [ 2011.10.07 20:05:25 ] Scitor Nantom > Alright. [ 2011.10.07 20:05:29 ] Myrhial Arkenath > EVE-radio seems like a fine medium, if not used already. Pardon me, not a frequent listener. [ 2011.10.07 20:05:50 ] Scitor Nantom > Look, here,... [ 2011.10.07 20:06:08 ] Scitor Nantom > here's proof that the non-capsuleer population of New Eden is interested... [ 2011.10.07 20:06:40 ] Scitor Nantom > http://tech4news.org Look at that Galnet address [ 2011.10.07 20:07:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > Mr. Nantom makes a good point. There is interest beyond the capsuleer class. [ 2011.10.07 20:07:59 ] Hilen Tukoss > However, that's where our fight begins. Educating them. [ 2011.10.07 20:08:33 ] Valerie Valate > the IGS has several news agencies reporting highlights, I believe. [ 2011.10.07 20:08:56 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Thank you for bringing that tot he attention Mr Nantom, that's quite interesting. [ 2011.10.07 20:08:56 ] Scitor Nantom > Very good. [ 2011.10.07 20:08:56 ] Hilen Tukoss > If we can educate capsuleers about the Sleepers, perhaps we can find other uses for all that material they bring back from the unknown regions. Uses beyond warships. [ 2011.10.07 20:09:14 ] Gentleman Viking > Tukoss, what do you see as the end result of constructing a library and museum in a deadspace pocket for A'J? [ 2011.10.07 20:09:25 ] Scitor Nantom > It's sure to help one and all, the sleeper technology. [ 2011.10.07 20:09:27 ] Hilen Tukoss > And yes, it's quite an interesting little show they've begun. I recommend it to all of you. [ 2011.10.07 20:09:38 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Mmm, the IGS does not go beyond the scope of capsuleers though, and many a capsuleer are put off reading it for what trash sometimes circulates on it. [ 2011.10.07 20:10:18 ] Hilen Tukoss > The end result, ideally, is increased profile for our work. As I just finished saying, one of our goals is to educate our fellow capsuleers. This will help with that better than a communication thread, and so on. [ 2011.10.07 20:10:42 ] Hilen Tukoss > Our work will start to find them, not the other way around. [ 2011.10.07 20:10:51 ] Gentleman Viking > Good good. [ 2011.10.07 20:12:04 ] Hilen Tukoss > Any other questions, concerns, lingering issues? [ 2011.10.07 20:12:15 ] Morwen Lagann > The IGS does have a baseliner following, Myrh - it's just not widely advertised. We're objects of curiosity for many. Not to mention as much good entertainment as a bad soap on the holo. [ 2011.10.07 20:12:17 ] Literia > /emote looks to Morwen [ 2011.10.07 20:12:34 ] Morwen Lagann > ... Well, sort of. There's a bit of a problem lately that Ethics and SEC have been dealing with. [ 2011.10.07 20:12:36 ] Valerie Valate > I have located the source, it was in the gutter press. [ 2011.10.07 20:12:40 ] Valerie Valate > http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=652&tid=4 [ 2011.10.07 20:12:53 ] Myrhial Arkenath > I stand corrected then, I was under the impression they could not access it without a capsuleer license, [ 2011.10.07 20:12:58 ] Kybernetes Moros > Just tune into the Summit for that. And I'll shuffle on out -- shouldn't be shitting up a meeting when it's not a project I'm involved with, heh. [ 2011.10.07 20:13:09 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Just got this little tidbit from corp: [20:12:36] Merlotty > /emote makes a note not to deploy drones with the smartbomb active [ 2011.10.07 20:13:27 ] Valerie Valate > Writing onto the IGS is probably a problem, Myrhial. Reading it should be simpler. [ 2011.10.07 20:13:43 ] Hilen Tukoss > Given your past work for us Mr. Moros, you're welcome to provide any input you like. [ 2011.10.07 20:13:49 ] Morwen Lagann > We had the issue once with Drake Arson declaring war on another then-participating party of the project. [ 2011.10.07 20:13:53 ] Valerie Valate > but that article is 7 years old I think, perhaps many people have said "what is this rubbish" and stopped reading it. [ 2011.10.07 20:14:05 ] Hilen Tukoss > We have a repeat of the issue, then, Morwen? [ 2011.10.07 20:14:07 ] Morwen Lagann > We've had a repeat of that issue, with different parties. [ 2011.10.07 20:14:26 ] Cicaedis > /emote returns her attention, listening intently to Morwen. [ 2011.10.07 20:14:31 ] Kybernetes Moros > Heh, cheers, Hilen. Still need to have that discussion you mentioned a while back, actually. Bread soup optional. [ 2011.10.07 20:14:55 ] Morwen Lagann > I'm not sure if any mails have been sent around about it or not; I was under the impression you'd already been informed of the issue. [ 2011.10.07 20:15:07 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods to Moros. "Sounds good." [ 2011.10.07 20:15:12 ] Literia > Gentlemen and Ladies Morwen is trying to bring something up please conceed the floor. [ 2011.10.07 20:15:21 ] Hilen Tukoss > Yes, I'm just realizing what you're talking about. [ 2011.10.07 20:15:22 ] Morwen Lagann > But yes - Myxx apparently decided to throw mercenaries at Valerie. [ 2011.10.07 20:15:50 ] Cicaedis > /emote pinches the bridge of her nose. [ 2011.10.07 20:16:02 ] Hilen Tukoss > Is this still the case? [ 2011.10.07 20:16:24 ] Morwen Lagann > And that's just part of the recent issues. There's that whole Delainen debacle, which thankfully has not yet caused us trouble with CONCORD or the DED, and some other authority issues on her part. [ 2011.10.07 20:16:46 ] Morwen Lagann > I believe Grideris managed to get her to pull the mercs, though we've had some precedent set on that. [ 2011.10.07 20:17:29 ] Literia > Thats what I heard too Morwen. [ 2011.10.07 20:17:33 ] Valerie Valate > the wars are still active. [ 2011.10.07 20:17:39 ] Gentleman Viking > Capsuleers will be Capsuleers. [ 2011.10.07 20:17:45 ] Literia > Thank you Ms Valate [ 2011.10.07 20:17:52 ] Myxx > Except Valate lies [ 2011.10.07 20:18:03 ] Valerie Valate > and I have received no notifications of any change. [ 2011.10.07 20:18:08 ] Myxx > I issued a 72 hour stand down order until this could be worked out [ 2011.10.07 20:18:10 ] Myxx > They wont persue you [ 2011.10.07 20:18:17 ] Myxx > and it wears out on tuesday [ 2011.10.07 20:18:35 ] Hilen Tukoss > Are things worked out, then? [ 2011.10.07 20:18:36 ] Myxx > Now, if you wish to continue... [ 2011.10.07 20:18:40 ] Valerie Valate > I received no such notification. [ 2011.10.07 20:18:41 ] Myxx > Nope [ 2011.10.07 20:18:46 ] Morwen Lagann > I wouldn't really say they've been worked out. [ 2011.10.07 20:18:52 ] Cicaedis > WArs should not be paid for on a whim against your peers... [ 2011.10.07 20:18:55 ] Kikia Truzhari > They don't seem to be. [ 2011.10.07 20:18:56 ] Literia > The war is not retracted [ 2011.10.07 20:18:58 ] Myxx > Grideris can verify ive given him confirmation that nobody would persue you [ 2011.10.07 20:19:26 ] Literia > No, Dr. Tukoss it has not been worked out. [ 2011.10.07 20:19:28 ] Kikia Truzhari > You could have just told her yourself. [ 2011.10.07 20:19:28 ] Gentleman Viking > Maybe I'm missing something, but how is this a problem for A'J? [ 2011.10.07 20:19:41 ] Myxx > Valerie accuses me of being a fraud [ 2011.10.07 20:19:44 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote chuckles [ 2011.10.07 20:19:48 ] Myxx > I tried diplomacy [ 2011.10.07 20:19:52 ] Cicaedis > You have some reason to do, Gentleman. [ 2011.10.07 20:19:55 ] Myxx > Valerie again accuses me of fraud [ 2011.10.07 20:19:59 ] Myxx > ... Forced my hand [ 2011.10.07 20:20:03 ] Literia > For meerly war decing Syne Drake was removed from his position [ 2011.10.07 20:20:08 ] Literia > Myxx Harden up [ 2011.10.07 20:20:12 ] Literia > Its a word [ 2011.10.07 20:20:13 ] Cicaedis > Forced you to attempt to murder her? I'm failing to see the correlation. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:19 ] Valerie Valate > "fraud" eh? [ 2011.10.07 20:20:19 ] Hilen Tukoss > Very well. Myxx, Valerie, we're going to meet later to sort this, privately. Crowds tend to make heads hotter. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:22 ] Myxx > I kill people for less [ 2011.10.07 20:20:31 ] Esna Pitoojee > ...is that a threat, Myxx? [ 2011.10.07 20:20:37 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss? [ 2011.10.07 20:20:41 ] Kikia Truzhari > Myxx, seriously. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:45 ] Gentleman Viking > Capsuleer scientist drama best drama... [ 2011.10.07 20:20:47 ] Morwen Lagann > That would be best, Hilen. Thank you. I got put into the position of championing this issue for some reason, heh. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:49 ] Esna Pitoojee > I don't think people will take threats in A'J public very well. I certainly don't. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:57 ] Kikia Truzhari > Have a smoke, eat a donut, pet the cat, its going to be okay. [ 2011.10.07 20:20:59 ] Morwen Lagann > Most people don't take threats well in general. [ 2011.10.07 20:21:05 ] Scitor Nantom > Hah.. let's not get into killing and such.. I see some of you are "red" to my associates, hehe. [ 2011.10.07 20:21:05 ] Cicaedis > Considering you've been part of the formulation of our rules in regards to attacking fellow AJ members, you perhaps should've thought this through more thoroughly. [ 2011.10.07 20:21:20 ] Scitor Nantom > donut? [ 2011.10.07 20:21:21 ] Darina Rea > /emote waves > Good day. [ 2011.10.07 20:21:22 ] Myrhial Arkenath > I'd like to point out that I find this concerning considering the current active persons on MRID are effectively Myxx and me ... unless I have missed someone, in which case I apologize. [ 2011.10.07 20:21:28 ] Scitor Nantom > what is that? [ 2011.10.07 20:21:33 ] Leopold Caine > "Capsuleer ego... killing more people anually than neutron blasters, last time I checked." [ 2011.10.07 20:22:06 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote chuckles at Leopold's statment. [ 2011.10.07 20:22:07 ] General Stargazer > /emote grins > Quite so Leopold. [ 2011.10.07 20:22:15 ] Gentleman Viking > So... A'J 1 doesnt like A'J 2... problem solved? [ 2011.10.07 20:22:17 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss? Precident has been set, by fiasco with Drake Arson SYnose Accord. As far as I understand blood is spilt., over at being called a name. [ 2011.10.07 20:22:25 ] Valerie Valate > Myxx said she was interviewing Professor Delainen. A corpmate found an individual claiming to be Professor Delainen in a shipwreck. I assumed he had escaped. Myxx informed me this was not the case. [ 2011.10.07 20:22:39 ] DJ Markus Ditori > Myrhial, what does work on MRID require? [ 2011.10.07 20:22:49 ] Cicaedis > I would concur, the precident has been set. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:00 ] Myxx > It has? Read the ethics page again [ 2011.10.07 20:23:08 ] Cicaedis > If we hold one person more accountable for their behavior than another, that would set a new, more dangerous precident. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:18 ] Myxx > Drake was removed from sec lead because it was deemed erratic for a security head to be declaring war [ 2011.10.07 20:23:25 ] Literia > Myxx I will ask you once to shut up [ 2011.10.07 20:23:31 ] Myxx > Lit... [ 2011.10.07 20:23:32 ] Leopold Caine > /emote looks over his shoulder with a light frown. "Hm... later I suppose." [ 2011.10.07 20:23:33 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote sighs. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:34 ] Morwen Lagann > Lit, calm down. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:34 ] Literia > Big kids are talking [ 2011.10.07 20:23:35 ] Myxx > Dont give me an ultimatum [ 2011.10.07 20:23:36 ] Kikia Truzhari > Someone is a bit high strung..... [ 2011.10.07 20:23:39 ] Leopold Caine > /emote flickers out [ 2011.10.07 20:23:46 ] Vanneth > It was deemed an aggressive act to delcare war. You have committed an aggressive act. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:46 ] Hilen Tukoss > My understanding is that this is a minor issue, and I'd rather it not steal the attention away from much larger issues. [ 2011.10.07 20:23:55 ] Hilen Tukoss > We've a library to build, and much other work to do. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:02 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Dr Tukoss, Im wondering if I should continue my own project. It does not involve gathering known information and correlating it, or understanding it. Does it still fit in with AJ? [ 2011.10.07 20:24:06 ] Valerie Valate > I investigated the background of the individual that we had found. In the meantime we found a 3rd person claiming to be Delainen. Investigating them proved even more baffling. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:19 ] Esna Pitoojee > Dr. Tukoss, it may individually be a minor issue, but it collects to be a lot of minor issues that make a bloody big issue. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:20 ] Myxx > And I maintain that Val is slinging mud [ 2011.10.07 20:24:28 ] Darina Rea > /emote chuckles > War declarations do tend to get in the way of building libraries, if you permit me the, ehm, remark. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:29 ] Myxx > Becxause of a personal bais against me [ 2011.10.07 20:24:29 ] Gentleman Viking > A question, if you have time, Tukoss? [ 2011.10.07 20:24:32 ] Vanneth > Sticks and stones, little girl. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:40 ] Esna Pitoojee > She is stating the facts, woman. I fail to see how that is sligning mud. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:42 ] Cicaedis > It had less to dow ith him being a SEC lead and more to do with him being a lead -- period. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:43 ] Valerie Valate > And what would this personal bias be ? [ 2011.10.07 20:24:44 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Mr. Ditori, it's quite varried, explaining it now may clutter up the channel too much. And there is the issue that our lead seems to be missing. [ 2011.10.07 20:24:57 ] Hilen Tukoss > We'll sort this privately in a meeting later this week. I suggest you both find time to smooth things over yourselves before then, however. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:03 ] Cicaedis > Representatives of that nature should not behave like children fighting over shiny baubles. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:04 ] Literia > She is threatening people in public channels and she is a moderator. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:18 ] Brawyn78 > Dr. Tukoss .... would now be a good time to chat with you about that recruiting package I've been looking at? [ 2011.10.07 20:25:24 ] Valerie Valate > lets hear it. What bias do you think I have? [ 2011.10.07 20:25:35 ] Morwen Lagann > Please, you two. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote smiles darkly. "That depends on perspective, Brawyn." [ 2011.10.07 20:25:44 ] Myxx > I am writing a paper up on just that, I told you not to force my hand. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:50 ] Myxx > meanwhile.. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:53 ] Myxx > Stand down revoked. [ 2011.10.07 20:25:58 ] Esna Pitoojee > Would you please state how she forced your hand/ [ 2011.10.07 20:26:00 ] Cicaedis > ... [ 2011.10.07 20:26:00 ] Morwen Lagann > Good grief. Perhaps this should not have been brought up. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:01 ] Literia > See [ 2011.10.07 20:26:08 ] Esna Pitoojee > ...and yeah, that's a threat. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:12 ] Myxx > I have zero paitence [ 2011.10.07 20:26:17 ] Cicaedis > YOu've got to be kidding me. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:17 ] Gentleman Viking > Dr. Tukoss.. In your opinion, is Eifyr's assistance with the A'J project enough? Aside from capsuleer contributors, would A'J benefit from bringing in other corporations (possibly from the other factions) to assist in the research? [ 2011.10.07 20:26:19 ] Myxx > Especially for you, Val [ 2011.10.07 20:26:20 ] Kikia Truzhari > Clearly. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:23 ] Brawyn78 > hehehehe it almost always depends on perspective ... actually perspectives have been something I've been looking at in my research on wormholes [ 2011.10.07 20:26:33 ] Valerie Valate > Why [ 2011.10.07 20:26:40 ] Esna Pitoojee > Myxx, you have yet to produce a single factual statement to support your position. Please do so. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:43 ] Kikia Truzhari > Myxx...seriously. chill, the fuc, out. [ 2011.10.07 20:26:56 ] Hilen Tukoss > We've already brought in some help from the Federation, Viking. Invitations are being formulated for the State and Empire, but may take a little further wrangling. [ 2011.10.07 20:27:09 ] Brawyn78 > I've been charting arrivals and departures for wormholes and how they might be predicted [ 2011.10.07 20:27:14 ] Literia > /emote writhes her hands [ 2011.10.07 20:27:19 ] Gentleman Viking > Understood. Any particular corporations who you looking at getting involved? [ 2011.10.07 20:27:21 ] Kikia Truzhari > Might be a bit tricky getting the state involved.... [ 2011.10.07 20:27:37 ] General Stargazer > I do hope people put racial differences aside in favour of the "bigger picture". [ 2011.10.07 20:27:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > Educational institutions are my first preference, for both symbolic and pragmatic reasons. [ 2011.10.07 20:27:50 ] Morwen Lagann > A good choice. [ 2011.10.07 20:28:09 ] Darina Rea > Naught for the Republic? [ 2011.10.07 20:28:16 ] Hilen Tukoss > University of Caille, Hedion University, School of Applied Knowledge and our own Republic University are my own suggestions. [ 2011.10.07 20:28:30 ] Brawyn78 > on a side note ... I'm sure the group I'm chatting with would have no issues being involved in this project ... they seem downright delighted to chat with me about my research [ 2011.10.07 20:28:40 ] Kikia Truzhari > Pator Tech would probably be willing to talk too. [ 2011.10.07 20:28:40 ] Gentleman Viking > Ironic, but fair enough. [ 2011.10.07 20:28:42 ] Scitor Nantom > Eifyr is for the Republic, hehe. [ 2011.10.07 20:29:19 ] Scitor Nantom > I do have roots in Pator, good people. [ 2011.10.07 20:29:46 ] General Stargazer > /emote grins at Scitor [ 2011.10.07 20:29:51 ] Gentleman Viking > Are there any plans to establish a permanenet or semi-permanent presence in wormhole space for research purposes? [ 2011.10.07 20:30:02 ] Hilen Tukoss > Yes, but they're distant ones. [ 2011.10.07 20:30:25 ] Literia > I will be asking to hold a Ethic Committee meeting soon about the Myxx and Valeri Valate. Unless Dr. Tukoss decides to deal with them and resolve it. [ 2011.10.07 20:30:48 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote Has signalled that he is now away from neocom. [ 2011.10.07 20:31:26 ] Hilen Tukoss > Literia, if you'd like to hold a meeting to discuss matters, by all means. I could look in on the summary afterwards and provide some advice. I'd prefer this, as it means more time spent handling research at my end. [ 2011.10.07 20:31:36 ] Darina Rea > Might I make a suggestion on this help application, if permitted? [ 2011.10.07 20:31:47 ] Cicaedis > /emote wanders off for more hot, energizing beverage. [ 2011.10.07 20:32:02 ] Hilen Tukoss > Help application, Ms. Rea? [ 2011.10.07 20:32:17 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote Is now back on neocom. [ 2011.10.07 20:32:27 ] Darina Rea > Invitation formulations you mentioned. [ 2011.10.07 20:32:56 ] Hilen Tukoss > Ah, you mean to the other corporations? Go on. [ 2011.10.07 20:33:42 ] Darina Rea > I assume that is for resources or knowledge, in that case the Servant Sisters of EvE might one to invite aswell. They have quite a few resources around the cluster. [ 2011.10.07 20:34:24 ] Darina Rea > And are not exactly bound to any of the nations as such.. and well, they have been studying the EvE Gate for a while. [ 2011.10.07 20:34:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > Believe me, I'm not the kind to see the world in four colors, if you get my meaning. We've been busy talking with just about any group we could get a hold of. [ 2011.10.07 20:34:57 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss, Its just that matter have escalated beyond. What should be done I dont know if it will. I know in the end the wait will only count in more bloodshed. If you can resolved so less blood is spilled, who am I to argue. [ 2011.10.07 20:35:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > The Sisters have expressed an interest, but much the same as us, they have their own research and protect their focus on it quite ferociously. [ 2011.10.07 20:35:50 ] General Stargazer > Who doesn't these days. [ 2011.10.07 20:36:00 ] Gentleman Viking > Are things still ruffled between you and the State over the whole 'defection' issue, Tukoss? [ 2011.10.07 20:36:13 ] Darina Rea > /emote smiles > I'd be interested in it. The Gate always held such mystery! [ 2011.10.07 20:36:20 ] Hilen Tukoss > You'd have to ask someone who represents the State. I bear no ill-will. [ 2011.10.07 20:36:32 ] Leopold Caine > "The Door is a mystery beyond though." [ 2011.10.07 20:36:34 ] Gentleman Viking > Fair enough [ 2011.10.07 20:36:35 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote smirks [ 2011.10.07 20:37:39 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Dr Tukoss, Im wondering if I should continue my own project. It does not involve gathering known information and correlating or understanding it. It involves collecting, analyzing and understanding samples. Does it still fit in with AJ? [ 2011.10.07 20:37:54 ] Darina Rea > Nicely said Leopold. [ 2011.10.07 20:38:00 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote mutters about stations not opening doors. [ 2011.10.07 20:38:23 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote is away from neocom. [ 2011.10.07 20:38:43 ] Hilen Tukoss > What samples are these, Ms. Ma'chello? The plantetside ones taken from unknown regions? [ 2011.10.07 20:38:50 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Yes [ 2011.10.07 20:39:28 ] Hilen Tukoss > Some basic comparative analyses would be good to have, so I can see the value for it in the project. [ 2011.10.07 20:39:46 ] Hilen Tukoss > I am sorry it was scoped out of the Dutch Gun reports, but Eifyr wanted to wrap things up there. [ 2011.10.07 20:39:54 ] Brawyn78 > for an example of why I like that group ... while you've been chatting about inter-personal issues over here .. we we're discussing the idea that wormhole arrivals may be time dependant ... i.e. the H900 wormhole departing a given system may open to [ 2011.10.07 20:40:18 ] Brawyn78 > system A if opened at one time or system B if opened at a different time [ 2011.10.07 20:40:44 ] Gentleman Viking > That'd be hard to test... [ 2011.10.07 20:40:49 ] Gaia Ma'chello > OK, If you dont remember, Im looking for any disease causing organisms that may have destryed the sleeper civilization, and propted them to build all those "qarentine" sites [ 2011.10.07 20:41:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > I think gathering planetary samples is a good avenue for such investigations, and it's of course intricately related to our work on the Sleepers, so by all means continue. [ 2011.10.07 20:41:50 ] Gaia Ma'chello > *Quarantinee [ 2011.10.07 20:42:46 ] Gentleman Viking > Earlier, Tukoss, you said that a goal was to find other applications for Sleeper technology other than warships, correct? [ 2011.10.07 20:42:47 ] Ranud Sunraker > What about nanotechnological diseases? [ 2011.10.07 20:42:58 ] Hilen Tukoss > Correct. [ 2011.10.07 20:42:59 ] Gaia Ma'chello > OK, was a little worried that focus had moved to the point where my work was going to be irrelevant [ 2011.10.07 20:43:26 ] Gentleman Viking > What sort of applications do you foresee? What fields are you hoping to improve by incorporating Sleeper technology? [ 2011.10.07 20:43:27 ] Hilen Tukoss > No, our focus remains the same. All that's really changed is a formalization of why we're doing what we are. [ 2011.10.07 20:44:20 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Im just trying to understand what may have killed off the sleepers, [ 2011.10.07 20:44:43 ] Hilen Tukoss > To answer that question, Viking, first we'd need to know what's possible with Sleeper tech, and to know what's possible, we first need to understand the Sleepers a great deal more than we do now. [ 2011.10.07 20:45:07 ] Gentleman Viking > Yeah, suppose that was a vague question. [ 2011.10.07 20:45:32 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Also I got samples from a unknown system that contains a shattered planet. We may be able to learn more about that event by studddying how it effected life in that system [ 2011.10.07 20:45:38 ] Hilen Tukoss > I could say "Medicine!" or something, and offer you up a clear, easily contrasted moral dichotomy between war and lifesaving, but I'm afraid we just don't know enough to make those claims. [ 2011.10.07 20:45:47 ] Gentleman Viking > Ironic that we are studying Sleepers with warships in an effort to understand how their technology can benefit things other than warships... [ 2011.10.07 20:46:04 ] Hilen Tukoss > The irony is not lost on me. [ 2011.10.07 20:46:19 ] Gentleman Viking > Moral cichotomy? [ 2011.10.07 20:46:29 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote smiles "I was hoping you would say "better boosters" actually" [ 2011.10.07 20:46:37 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote laughs. [ 2011.10.07 20:46:45 ] Gaia Ma'chello > I think that is beacuse what happens if you tried flying about in a ship that is not a warship [ 2011.10.07 20:46:52 ] Gouzu Kho > well, there is always the zephyr, if you dont want to use warships [ 2011.10.07 20:47:05 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Dr Tukoss, I mentioned it previously, but I am concerned about MRID and it's lack of active lead. I'd like to express a willingness to step up as a replacement. If only temporarily. I'm assuming the final call is yours? [ 2011.10.07 20:47:06 ] Hilen Tukoss > Gaia: If you can send those samples along like last time, I'll add them to the batches we already have. [ 2011.10.07 20:47:40 ] Gaia Ma'chello > OK, I got 11 samples, loaded in a iteron. You can keep the iteron and add any future samples to it [ 2011.10.07 20:47:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > You're most welcome to the position, Ms. Arkenath. I'd be glad to have someone step up. [ 2011.10.07 20:48:43 ] Valerie Valate > documentation of all the things found is useful ,Gaia. Someone may see your results and have an "Aha!" moment. [ 2011.10.07 20:48:45 ] Gaia Ma'chello > If it turns out to be dangerious to keep the samples, just dump the entire ship into the sun [ 2011.10.07 20:49:04 ] Hilen Tukoss > We've had no issues so far. [ 2011.10.07 20:49:32 ] Valerie Valate > in many cases, finding nothing, is in itself useful knowledge, that others can benefit from. [ 2011.10.07 20:49:38 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Well, I don't just want to take it, and give others a fair chance. But I've been enjoying the work, thus far, and there seems work left that isn't getting done. [ 2011.10.07 20:50:41 ] Hilen Tukoss > Of course, but I'd say that with your work so far you've more than earned the chance to step into a lead position. [ 2011.10.07 20:50:54 ] Gaia Ma'chello > Time for me to go. Sounds like interesting times ahead. Bye all! [ 2011.10.07 20:51:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > Take care. [ 2011.10.07 20:51:14 ] General Stargazer > If i can be of any use to you for anything as well Arkenath, please feel free to get in touch. I've had an ever growing amount of free time as of late. [ 2011.10.07 20:51:17 ] Morwen Lagann > G'night, Gaia. [ 2011.10.07 20:51:27 ] Literia > Good night [ 2011.10.07 20:51:30 ] Hilen Tukoss > I have to leave myself shortly, so if there is anything else, speak up! [ 2011.10.07 20:51:32 ] Myrhial Arkenath > /emote smiles > I'm glad to hear it. [ 2011.10.07 20:51:52 ] Gentleman Viking > Mind another extremely broad and vague question? [ 2011.10.07 20:51:54 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote smirks [ 2011.10.07 20:52:15 ] Hilen Tukoss > Sure. [ 2011.10.07 20:52:19 ] Gentleman Viking > Why so interested in wormhole space and the Sleepers/Talocan? [ 2011.10.07 20:52:41 ] Gentleman Viking > Er... that is, you personally. [ 2011.10.07 20:52:42 ] Cicaedis > /emote just got the weirdest visual. [ 2011.10.07 20:52:43 ] General Stargazer > I think the reverse question becons as well. Why not ? [ 2011.10.07 20:53:26 ] General Stargazer > /emote coughs > Beckons rather. [ 2011.10.07 20:53:35 ] Gouzu Kho > I'll be off in a minute too. Its been a very informative evening, thank you for your time everyone. And thank you to our host Mr. Tukos [ 2011.10.07 20:53:46 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 20:54:11 ] Gouzu Kho > Tukoss* sorry [ 2011.10.07 20:54:12 ] Hilen Tukoss > Well, Viking, it's more complicated than even this answer will suggest, but I believe we may be watching the opportunity for a golden age pass us by. [ 2011.10.07 20:54:41 ] Kybernetes Moros > /emote grins. [ 2011.10.07 20:54:45 ] Hilen Tukoss > That may not make sense at first. [ 2011.10.07 20:54:50 ] Valerie Valate > wormhole space is new (to us), there could be all sorts of things [ 2011.10.07 20:55:04 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote chuckles > That old line. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:04 ] Kybernetes Moros > Oh, you bastard, Hilen. Stop pretending to be Nikiruu. That quote, I swear. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:20 ] Kybernetes Moros > /emote laughs. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:29 ] Morwen Lagann > Out of my head, Moros. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > Well, it's true. It may take some time for us to see exactly what we're missing here. Some time indeed. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:44 ] Kybernetes Moros > Too late. [ 2011.10.07 20:55:55 ] Kybernetes Moros > And yeah, sure, Hilen, but it's a given with anything complex. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:06 ] Valerie Valate > Dr. Tukoss. Kybernetes knows about the Nation pratfall comedy routines. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:06 ] Morwen Lagann > Better to try and fail than not try at all. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:07 ] Cicaedis > The chance for something different and new has always appealed to people. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:16 ] Kybernetes Moros > It's true! [ 2011.10.07 20:56:29 ] Cicaedis > For better or worse. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:40 ] Hilen Tukoss > Fullerenes, for example, have the potential to become a general purpose technology that changes our society in ways nobody can predict. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:42 ] Brawyn78 > that and friends of yours have given their life for this research might motivate [ 2011.10.07 20:56:43 ] General Stargazer > Trying to understand the relative unknown as well. [ 2011.10.07 20:56:47 ] Morwen Lagann > Are you coming back, Kyber? We'll have to work on a new musical routine, if so. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:06 ] Scitor Nantom > /emote has closed comms [ 2011.10.07 20:57:06 ] Gentleman Viking > Couldn't we just kidnap a Jovian scientist and grill them for that information? [ 2011.10.07 20:57:07 ] Hilen Tukoss > Right now we are scratching the surface of such technologies. My interest in wormhole space lies mostly in going deeper. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:21 ] Literia > Thats only for Ethics meeting I thought Morwen? [ 2011.10.07 20:57:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > I am afraid not. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:31 ] Gentleman Viking > Well dang. Nothing is ever simple. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:36 ] Kybernetes Moros > Remains to be seen, Morwen. Musical routines ain't something Arek'jaalan has a monopoly on, though -- and sure, Hilen, but hey, happens with every new tech. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:49 ] Morwen Lagann > It can be used in multiple places, if the context is right, Lit. [ 2011.10.07 20:57:54 ] Valerie Valate > the wormholes are one of those things. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:04 ] Literia > True enough Morwen [ 2011.10.07 20:58:07 ] Valerie Valate > things that open peoples eyes to possibilities. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:18 ] Gentleman Viking > Well, thanks for your time, Tukoss. o7 [ 2011.10.07 20:58:23 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:28 ] Hilen Tukoss > Thank you all. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:33 ] Kybernetes Moros > Artificial gravity? Changes all sorts of shiny new shit that's still being figured out. Who needs to bother with all this tedious thrust when you can just fall to your destination? That kinda thing. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:36 ] Morwen Lagann > And we can't open those eyes unless we educate them. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:41 ] General Stargazer > Thank you. [ 2011.10.07 20:58:47 ] Kybernetes Moros > Go deeper, find more cool shit, teach people about cool shit, all sortsa niceness. [ 2011.10.07 20:59:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods once more. [ 2011.10.07 20:59:00 ] Morwen Lagann > Gotta research and document it first. [ 2011.10.07 20:59:06 ] Valerie Valate > e.g. a stargate. Observing that such things are even possible, throws fuel onto the fire of imagination [ 2011.10.07 20:59:31 ] Brawyn78 > be careful it might not all be nice ... look at the Talocan idea of "cultural exchange" [ 2011.10.07 21:00:13 ] Kybernetes Moros > 'zactly, Val. One really nice way of putting it I heard once upon a time was "wonders spur wonders". Perhaps overdramatic, but still. [ 2011.10.07 21:00:25 ] Valerie Valate > people say "You can do that ?" and then blam. A stargate network bringing you tasteless Gallente fashion you have never thought possible. [ 2011.10.07 21:00:49 ] Gentleman Viking > /emote looks at his suit. [ 2011.10.07 21:00:54 ] Gentleman Viking > Tasteless? How DARE you!? [ 2011.10.07 21:01:03 ] Gentleman Viking > Expect my mercenaries at dawn! [ 2011.10.07 21:01:17 ] Uraniae Fehrnah > See, this is why we can't have nice science. [ 2011.10.07 21:01:23 ] Valerie Valate > Form an orderly queue. [ 2011.10.07 21:02:00 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote chuckles to himself. [ 2011.10.07 21:02:08 ] Darina Rea > To be fair, Gallente fashion is rather smooth. [ 2011.10.07 21:02:28 ] Darina Rea > You wift over it and it's gone with the wind. [ 2011.10.07 21:02:30 ] Morwen Lagann > Someone I know once said that the power to give life is one of the greatest forms of power in the universe. [ 2011.10.07 21:02:44 ] Brawyn78 > so Dr. Tukoss ... any updates on how we got J codes? [ 2011.10.07 21:02:53 ] Morwen Lagann > The power to teach others is just as great - the ability to give them the knowledge to expand their understanding of the universe so that they may teach others themselves. That's just one thing this project is capable of. [ 2011.10.07 21:03:12 ] Kybernetes Moros > That's a fantastic line, Morwen. [ 2011.10.07 21:03:50 ] Rek Jaiga > Very well-said, Morwen [ 2011.10.07 21:04:09 ] Hilen Tukoss > Brawyn, I just made a note to follow that up. [ 2011.10.07 21:04:20 ] Morwen Lagann > It's why I've put so much time and effort into the project. [ 2011.10.07 21:04:48 ] Brawyn78 > thanks ... any insight would be apreciated ... might shed some light on the work I've been doing [ 2011.10.07 21:04:57 ] Aidan Brooder > Some are born to this life and forever stay in self-made darkness, either through lack of any talents or through lack of inspiration... To teach those who just lack the funding or inspiration is a good cause. [ 2011.10.07 21:05:17 ] Hilen Tukoss > Anyhow, I have to take my leave now and prepare a host of other things. Once again, keep an eye out for more information on our construction project ... speaking of which, we need a name for it, too. [ 2011.10.07 21:05:17 ] Darina Rea > Brilliant, might I offer you the power of imagination - as one has to start somewhere after all. [ 2011.10.07 21:05:24 ] Brawyn78 > also something interesting to look at [ 2011.10.07 21:05:32 ] Gentleman Viking > Until next time o7 [ 2011.10.07 21:05:41 ] Valerie Valate > The Library of Tomorrow [ 2011.10.07 21:05:45 ] General Stargazer > Taking suggestions? [ 2011.10.07 21:05:46 ] Morwen Lagann > /emote chuckles. [ 2011.10.07 21:05:56 ] Brawyn78 > the 4 character designation for wormholes is determined by arrival AND destination [ 2011.10.07 21:06:02 ] Clone 0 > Learning IV [ 2011.10.07 21:06:09 ] Literia > Dr. Tukoss could you when you get time send me a note of if you manage to resolve. Or do you wish a meeting to happend? [ 2011.10.07 21:06:32 ] General Stargazer > Central Research Nexus! [ 2011.10.07 21:07:06 ] Cicaedis > Reflections. [ 2011.10.07 21:07:23 ] General Stargazer > Single word names are equally as effective. [ 2011.10.07 21:07:36 ] Hilen Tukoss > Thank you all, once again, for taking the time. My available hours for this weekend are updated in my profile, so you can know when to expect me. [ 2011.10.07 21:07:41 ] Hilen Tukoss > Take care. [ 2011.10.07 21:07:53 ] Morwen Lagann > I'll send you my notes momentarily, Hilen. [ 2011.10.07 21:08:26 ] Hilen Tukoss > /emote nods. "Appreciated. I'll aim to have the logs up later tonight." [ 2011.10.07 21:08:48 ] Morwen Lagann > Heh, this is going to take a couple mails it looks like. Lots of notes. [ 2011.10.07 21:08:56 ] Morwen Lagann > Enjoy your evening. [ 2011.10.07 21:09:03 ] Myrhial Arkenath > Take care Dr Tukoss.